Can’t stand your Big Law gig anymore? Before you jump ship to build your own firm from scratch, check out these tips shared by two leaders from Chicago law firm Walker Wilcox Matousek. Attorney Bill Bila and COO Robert Marks arrived at San Francisco’s Moscone Center Thursday morning to kick off a series of panels for the American Bar Association’s annual conference. The pair shared lessons they learned from the sweat and tears of growing a firm from eight founding attorneys (all formerly from Lord Bissell & Brook) to more than 40 in five years. Turns out, the devil really is in the details.

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