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Although a judge has decided differently, former prosecutor John “Jack” Quatman had no intention of shaming the Alameda County district attorney’s office with charges of jury bias, his wife, also a lawyer, said Wednesday. In an interview, Phyllis Quatman said “getting back” at Orloff was the furthest thing from her husband’s mind when he casually mentioned to California Appellate Project attorney Scott Kauffman a conversation he said he’d had with the late Judge Stanley Golde. “The only person in all of this who’s really getting torched is Jack,” said Phyllis Quatman, a defense attorney who practices with her husband in Whitefish, Mont. “Now he’s being branded a liar, and dishonest and unethical. He never imagined this.” Two weeks ago, John Quatman repeated his claims at an evidentiary hearing, saying the now-deceased judge advised him to kick Jews off the jury he selected for the 1987 capital murder trial of Fred Freeman. But after hearing from other witnesses, the court-appointed referee said Quatman was a liar and a cheat who couldn’t be believed, and thus discredited his claim that he improperly removed jurors. “Jack is the first DA in the state to break reins, and he’s paying for being the whistle-blower,” Phyllis Quatman said. The referee, Santa Clara County Superior Court Judge Kevin Murphy, said he found “ample evidence” that John Quatman fabricated the story to exact revenge on Alameda County DA Tom Orloff, who played a role in transferring the longtime prosecutor off capital cases in 1993. Orloff said Wednesday he felt vindicated by the judge’s ruling. “I had kind of analyzed the situation the same way [Murphy] did,” he said. But Phyllis Quatman noted that nowhere in her husband’s declaration to the court does he mention Tom Orloff, whose investigation of a co-worker’s complaint against John Quatman led to the prosecutor’s demotion to the consumer fraud department. “He gave a great deal of thought before he decided to go ahead with the declaration because he didn’t want to burn his old office in any way,” Phyllis Quatman said. Still, testimony about the alleged jury bias has cast Quatman and his former office in a bad light. Orloff said Wednesday his office is looking at Quatman’s old cases to see if he acted inappropriately in any of them. “As a preliminary manner we are checking to see what cases he may have tried where people would still be in prison,” Orloff said. He added that of the three capital cases Quatman got convictions for, two of the defendants have since died. Phyllis Quatman said her husband still believes in the death penalty. “Frankly, he wasn’t really sure he wanted to undo, or assist in undoing, an 18-year-old conviction that he worked very hard to get,” she said. “On the other hand, the attorneys believed his declaration might make a difference � so Jack decided that if the truth was going to make a difference, he had a duty to come forward.” He also felt Freeman, who is deaf, had gotten a raw deal from his original attorneys, who changed strategy during trial. “[Freeman] did not hear what was going on,” Phyllis Quatman said. “So yeah, [Jack] was never comfortable with the verdict.” Phyllis Quatman said her husband was trading “war stories” with Kauffman, who was helping her with a death penalty case, when the Golde incident came up. “I was cooking and listening, and Freeman came up in the context of ineffective assistance of counsel. That’s how it came up. It’s a complete fluke.” When Kauffman later asked for Quatman’s assistance in the Freeman matter, “I’m not sure if he sensed the gravity of it,” his wife said. Phyllis Quatman thinks Judge Murphy’s findings of fact — he came up with six reasons why Quatman “can’t be believed” — show that the judge “wants to nip in the bud any future petitions and any future hearings involving Jack Quatman and his testimony.” Orloff said Wednesday that if he’d known of at least one of the allegations made in court two weeks ago against Quatman, the ex-prosecutor might have been fired. “The one that’s the clearest to me is if [former DA] Jack Meehan would have known that [Quatman] got up and advocated dismissing Jewish jurors at a [California District Attorneys Association] training,” Orloff said. Although Orloff added he wasn’t DA at the time, he guessed “that would have had very serious implications.” But Phyllis Quatman said prosecutors left “one huge door open” with Deputy DA Colton Carmine’s testimony about the CDAA training. Carmine said John Quatman taught DAs around the state to “never, ever” leave Jews on death penalty cases. It really happened, Phyllis Quatman said. “He taught the Stan Golde theory on Jews on capital juries. � If they took his advice, then I think there’s this huge hole, and there’s a big issue there.” “The senior people [of the Alameda County DA's office] were sitting there. They were there,” Phyllis Quatman said. “And nobody ever said a word.”

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