A morning meeting between lawyers at a Manhattan investment bank may not be everyone’s idea of a “fireside chat.” But that’s how global independent bank Evercore billed a discussion it hosted last week between its in-house litigation head, Brogiin Keeton, and Covington & Burling partner Eric Holder.

The topic of the meeting, timed to celebrate Black History Month, was diversity. And while the internal meeting was closed to outsiders, Keeton and the former U.S. attorney general caught up with ALM afterward to talk about diversity and inclusion in the legal industry—and about their experience moving up the ranks as black attorneys.